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From: scleary_at_[hidden]
Date: 2000-01-17 14:16:00

> 1) changed the header file name to type_traits.hpp - I've found mixed case
> filenames to be a real pain in past - having said that you can call it
> whatever you like :-)

No problem here.

> 2) I've re-ordered some declarations to get the code to compile with g++,
> it now compiles with the g++ -pedantic -ansi -Wall which I use as a kind
> portability litmus test.

Again, no problem. I'm setting up my new home system with Debian, so
hopefully soon I'll be checking my code against g++ as well as BCB4.

> 3) As Howard has come around to using "value" for values and "type" for
> types, I've changed the code to use "value" (again) for the static const
> bool values. Steve if you feel strongly about this say so and we'll change
> it back.

No, no problem. That's the way we had it originally.

> 4) I've re-enabled the "automatic" detection of empty base classes - Steve
> did you have a good reason for disabling this? I realise that the code
> fails for enum types, but without it, Howard's compressed_pair would seem
> to be broken, unless you can persuade users to specialise is_empty for
> and every empty type (IMO this puts an unnecessary burden on
> the user).

Do we have any guarantee that it will work on any system? I guess I still
don't know why we need an array of int's instead of just one. Even with the
array, are we still guaranteed to sidestep alignment issues?

> I have some remaining issues/questions:
> 1) Steve, do you feel strongly about having both is_xxx and is_builtin_xxx
> families - the reason I ask is that templates like is_integral duplicate
> exactly the functionality already available from numeric_limits - removing
> these would allow us to remove the dependency on <limits> also.

No, I don't care. I included them just so that user code could have all
needed type traits come from one place with similar syntax. They're not
important; we can remove them, and the dependency on <limits> as well.

> 2) The is_fundamental versions make no sense to me, maybe I'm looking at
> this wrong but a type is either fundamental or not - equivalent to your
> is_standard_fundamental I think.

'fundamental' has a strict definition in the Standard: 'arithmetic' types or
void. I've "extended" the definition in the same way that I "extended" the
definition of 'arithmetic' in the Standard. Now we have
is_standard_arithmetic, which is arithmetic types strictly defined by the
Standard; and is_builtin_arithmetic, which is all arithmetic extensions
supplied by the compiler (long long, etc.). So the parallel to that would
be to have is_standard_fundamental, which is is_standard_arithmetic or void;
and is_builtin_fundamental, which is is_builtin_arithmetic or void.

I have no purpose in mind for is_builtin_fundamental (or several of the
other types included in type_traits); most of them just grew out of
extending the Standard definitions in the manner above. If you think they
clutter up the code or unnecessarily complicate matters, they can be

> 3) Howard - Steve's code does not "work" with cv-qualified types for
> templates like is_integral<>, IMO this is the right way, but if you feel
> really strongly the other way, make the change and I won't argue - Steve
> what do you think?

Again, the type_traits were just taken from a strict interpretation of the
Standard. This can be confusing, because 'arithmetic' tests will reject
cv-qualifications, but 'scalar' tests will accept them. The other option is
to define what exactly will pass for each type_trait, and make this well
documented. Whichever is easier for users; I don't care, as long as it's

> We need a help file, and a "crippled" version of the code for those, well,
> "crippled" compilers, I guess if we can nail down the basic header these
> shouldn't be too hard.

The beginning of the header is an obvious starting point for the docs. It
should be stripped off when the docs are complete.

Sorry, I don't have a brain-damaged M$ compiler, so I can't help with the
crippling of the code. ;)

I agree with Howard; we need to get type_traits nailed down so we can start
working with it. I've got things on the way that depend on


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