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From: Dave Harris (brangdon_at_[hidden])
Date: 2005-04-18 05:55:23

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vawjr_at_[hidden] (Victor A. Wagner Jr.) wrote (abridged):
> do you keep all versions of your compiler around forever?

Pretty much. We don't keep them in VCS though. We don't treat them as
source code because, well, they are not source code. (Switching to a
different compiler vendor would be a much bigger deal than adopting boost
so this comparison probably isn't helping your case.)

> >I didn't want to include anything I couldn't see an immediate use for.
> a true forward looking point of view.

That sounds like sarcasm. I've already explained how it is easier to add
stuff that was missed that to delete stuff that shouldn't have been added.
Also, with broadband internet, the boost documentation so accessible from
the web site that it doesn't need to be added locally.

> actually you don't need to "understand it" to use it, anymore than you
> need to understand the workings of the transmission in the auto you
> drive.

I do need to understand the documentation before I use it, and in the
example I cited the documentation is long and complex.

Also, I need to debug code, and that often does require understanding how
it works. I must be a car mechanic as well as a driver.

> I find it difficult to believe that min and or max got "redefined" such
> that they became unusable (I'm pretty sure it would have shown up in
> the regression testing. I recall no such incident).

The root problem, as I thought we'd agreed, is that Microsoft wrongly
defines them as macros. This means code like:

    long x = max( 1L, 1 );

works. I found that #including boost reverted to the standard-conforming
definition, which meant the above became ambiguous as the 2 arguments have
different types.

Don't let's pay this issue more attention than it deserves. I doubt boost
can do any better than it is doing, here.

-- Dave Harris, Nottingham, UK.

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