Re: [boost] [IBD] Help request, A Woman's Point of View

From: Jake Voytko (jakevoytko_at_[hidden])
Date: 2007-07-06 14:39:14

OK, I think it's time we try to remain professional and back off a little.
Matias clearly didn't mean any harm by what he said, and he had good intent.
Joaquín raises valid points in his email, and I think these need to be
addressed, and negative discussions aren't going to advance the topic any.

I ask that we stick with the objective view of the situation (as presented
by Joaquín), rather than the subjective view (women feel patronized // women
feel excluded // ...)

Jake

On 7/6/07, Edward Diener <eldiener_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> Matias Capeletto wrote:
> > On 7/6/07, james.jones_at_[hidden]
> > <james.jones_at_[hidden]> wrote:
> >> From: "Stjepan Rajko" <stipe_at_[hidden]>
> >>> Anyway, I'd really like to applaud Matias for actively trying to
> >>> address the gender imbalance, since if it wasn't for the female
> >>> dancers that were encouraging of my participation in dance, I wouldn't
> >>> be a dancer now (and I suspect not nearly as happy a person).  I think
> >>> that until you start to fix the gender imbalance, you don't even
> >>> realize what kind of useful feedback, opinions, and participation you
> >>> might be missing out on.
> >> You may find that women find it creepy for 50 guys to be, in effect,
> >> calling out, "Hey, join us! Come on, we're nice people! And we'll
> >> listen to you - here, you can sit next to me!"
> >>
> >> Don't force it.
>
> Bravo !
>
> >
> > I think we have been clear enough. We are not forcing anything.
> > To me it is just odd that Boost is a men only business, so I
> > respectfully want to show them that we are open and invite them to
> > work along us.
>
> Women don't need for you to show them that they can work with men. They
> know it already and, if they don't, they are living in such a backward
> culture where nothing you say to them, as someone far outside their
> culture and concerns, is going to make a difference anyway.
>
> >
> > Why it is so hard not to be marked as a sexist? Come on, we are only
> > trying to make boost a better place for all of us. Please do not put
> > words in our mouths.
>
> You are not being marked as sexist. You are being patronizing. That's
> much worse. No woman wants to be pointed out as a "token" being asked to
> join Boost so that Boosters can say they have a woman's point of view.
>
>