Re: [boost] "[gsoc] Thread scheduler support for boost"

Subject: Re: [boost] "[gsoc] Thread scheduler support for boost"
From: vicente.botet (vicente.botet_at_[hidden])
Date: 2009-03-30 02:36:36

Hi,

I'm wondering this shouldn't be considered as an extension of the Boost.Thread library more that the Boost.ThreadPool library. The ThreadPool library can be improved once these extension are in place, but also other application or libraries using threads.

Let me know if I'm missing someething?

Best,
Vicente
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Indradip Ghosh" <indraghosh2k_at_[hidden]>
To: <boost_at_[hidden]>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:14 AM
Subject: [boost] "[gsoc] Thread scheduler support for boost"

Hi Phil and Hartmut,

I am following up with the earlier thread on of extending the current
threadpool library present in boost. The current approach implements
N:M model by internally using the pthread APIs (pthread_schedule() and
its related classes). However, for high performance latency sensitive
application code, we would not only like to parellize but would also
like to (i) reduce load variance against the threads (ii) create
asymmetric scheduling: where a set of threads are forced to run on a
subset of processors (iii) prioritize the tasks amongst threads.. One
that I am thinking is to create a userland scheduler through which all
scheduling decisions are made. For OS specific case, the userland
scheduler can be made to use features exposed by the OS such as
different scheduling algos, processor affinity,...

Please let me know if you think that this direction is admissible as a
plausible extension for the Boost library. I am working on this and
would be sending you more details on how i think on implementing this.

Regards,
Indradip.

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> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:36:12 -0500
> From: "Hartmut Kaiser" <hartmut.kaiser_at_[hidden]>
> Subject: Re: [boost] "[gsoc] Thread scheduler support for boost"
> To: <boost_at_[hidden]>
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>> However, I thought of your suggested extension of threadpool class
>> exploiting processor affinity techniques and it sounds very
>> interesting as well but I guess we would run into the same portability
>> issues with regard to availability of the lower level API exposing the
>> hooks to be able to develop such a facility. Another issue would be to
>> qualify and justify how much improvement would this type of
>> parallelism enable on top of the instruction level parallelism already
>> in place for all modern processors. Although, I would still like to
>> find out if you have any concrete lead in mind.
>
> FWIW, processor affinity is supported on many operating systems, so it
> shouldn't be problematic to come up with a portable implementation.
> Moreover, I believe Oliver already included something like that into his
> thread_pool library (see http://tinyurl.com/cqgt5u, file
> boost-threadpool.v24.tar.gz).
>
>> I know for sure that there are those hard engineering problems in high
>> performance computing domain to ensure QOS guarantees to distributed
>> real-time embedded systems. They look into processor utilization
>> optimizations in the face of uncertainty of computational load on the
>> system. These usually require some kind of mathematical validation of
>> the scheme for the system under construction. I guess that would be
>> beyond the scope of the GSOC project, given the time frame.
>
> I'm sure that controlling processor affinity is something to consider not
> only for real time applications or high end computing. With the rising
> number of cores in a chip we need to be able to influence this for everyday
> tasks as well. But that's only IHMO.
>
>> M:N type of models would also have the same portability issue as it
>> requires changing kernel code as well as the userland code in thread
>> library.
>
> You shouldn't shy away of some feature just because Boost requires portable
> implementations. Most of the time this is possible to achieve, as modern
> OS's have very similar functionality, just exposed using different API's.
>
> Regards Hartmut
>
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