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Subject: Re: [boost] [optional] generates unnessesary code for trivial types
From: Stewart, Robert (Robert.Stewart_at_[hidden])
Date: 2012-02-14 08:05:32

Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Andrzej Krzemienski
> <akrzemi1_at_[hidden]> wrote:
> > Certainly, there ways to make the output of optional
> > configurable.
> > However, when it comes to proposing stuff in front of the ISO
> > committee, there is one other factor, which I failed to
> > mention yet. It is the "fragility" of the process. I am
> > concerned that if anything turns out to be controversial, the
> > whole Optional would be at risk of being rejected. This
> > might be an exaggeration (I have never gone through the
> > process of proposing something and then pushing it through),
> > but Optional has already been proposed by Fernando
> > (
> > and rejected; primarily for two things: operators -> and *
> > and the semantics for optional reference assignment (see
> > I
> > would much like to avoid the situation where Optional (which
> > I believe is very useful to wide variety of programmers)
> > would be rejected because of one additional, however tiny,
> > controversy of streaming operator.

I agree with being conservative to ensure its inclusion, but there may be a way to get both.

> I think the safe option is to not include it. Same for
> references. What's the problem with the ptr interface? Seems
> fine with me.

One proposal can be for the no I/O, no reference version. Another proposal could extend that with I/O. Yet another could extend it with reference support. That would permit the first proposal to be accepted, even if the others are rejected. I think it is also reasonable to make I/O and reference support optional additions to the core of a single proposal.

Obviously, I/O can be defaulted and made customizable. Deciding on widely useful defaults may not be easy, but customization does permit choosing alternatives. The easiest customization is, of course, a traits class.

Reference support, with some assignment policy, can be added by a wrapper type. "optional_with_references", say, can do everything the normal optional class does plus add support for references. That's not as pretty, perhaps, but there would, then, be no question as to the behavior in a given context. Indeed, you could have two variants of the wrapper to give both assignment protocols, thereby removing all confusion.

Rob Stewart robert.stewart_at_[hidden]
Software Engineer using std::disclaimer;
Dev Tools & Components
Susquehanna International Group, LLP


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