Subject: Re: [boost] Boost.Uuid and header-only support
From: James E. King, III (jking_at_[hidden])
Date: 2017-11-05 02:53:31
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Peter Dimov via Boost <boost_at_[hidden]
> James E. King, III wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Peter Dimov via Boost <
>> boost_at_[hidden] wrote:
>> > James E. King, III wrote:
>> >> I was wondering, does it even make sense to have the default RNG of >>
>> uuids::random_generator set to a PseudoRandomNumberGenerator for >>
>> > No, in my opinion it doesn't. basic_random_generator has to be retained
>> > for compatibility, but random_generator should just obtain random bytes >
>> directly. You're right that this is a breaking change though - a >
>> justified one, in my opinion.
>> Looks like November 1 was the deadline for making major changes for
>> 1.66.0, which I assume would include breaking changes...
> That's true, in principle.
> The intent behind the rule is however that this refers to changes that
> break other Boost libraries, not client code outside of Boost. Client code
> typically sees the breaking change after the release, or at best after the
> beta, not before. So breaking client code does not in general impede the
> release process, whereas breaking other Boost libraries (or otherwise
> introducing regressions into the testing and release procedures) most
> certainly can and does.
> But a permission from a release manager cannot hurt if you decide to
> pursue this.
I did a short test where I use the old mt19937 based generator in a loop to
make 1 million uuids
and then I compared that to a new random_device implementation (both under
basic_random_generator using the default constructor), and the results
surprised me. On
a Windows 10 laptop with a Xeon processor, using Visual Studio 2017 and
Benchmark Times reusing a generator (1M loops):
0.021822s wall, 0.031250s user + 0.000000s system = 0.031250s CPU (143.2%)
0.373160s wall, 0.375000s user + 0.000000s system = 0.375000s CPU (100.5%)
Benchmark Times using a new generator for each uuid (10K loops):
1.168479s wall, 1.171875s user + 0.000000s system = 1.171875s CPU (100.3%)
0.010272s wall, 0.015625s user + 0.000000s system = 0.015625s CPU (152.1%)
Asking the OS for 16 bytes of entropy at a time (Wincrypt, 1M loops):
0.244231s wall, 0.234375s user + 0.000000s system = 0.234375s CPU (96.0%)
So the initialization of the mersenne twister is expensive, so if you do it
once and then
reuse it, it is much more efficient than going to Wincrypt. If you make a
new generator for
each uuid, the opposite is true. I expect folks will do the former, but
I've seen the latter
in some projects.
It looks like it is very expensive to get entropy through Wincrypt (and
BCrypt), whereas using
it only to seed a PRNG and then reusing the PRNG it is much more efficient
through the existing
code paths. Therefore keeping the default type at mt19937 and using this
random_device will maintain performance and compatibility, but also fix the
problems in seed_rng
like how it would ignore errors, and will add UWP support.
Even asking Wincrypt for 16 bytes of entropy at a time is not efficient, so
implementation to be less generic won't improve performance.
So in short, I'll plan to keep the same implementation of random_device but
put in a new seed
mechanism for the PseudoRandomNumberGenerator. I also fixed up the
that was in seed_rng so that any UniformRandomNumberGenerator can be used.
not sure this will go into 1.66.0 at this point... might be too big of a
structural change internally.
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