Re: [Asset Stewardship] About the Beman Project

From: Andrzej Krzemienski (akrzemi1_at_[hidden])
Date: 2024-09-12 18:46:18

czw., 12 wrz 2024 o 19:08 Kristen Shaker via Boost <boost_at_[hidden]>
napisał(a):

> >
> > #1
> > > The Boost Foundation proposal states that "...success in today’s
> society
> > requires a strong and enforced Code of Conduct."  It goes on to propose
> > that the incorporation and enforcement of a strong code of conduct will
> > "increase engagement and trust within Boost."
> > > Q. Which Code of Conduct does the Boost Foundation believe is best for
> > Boost, is it this one:
> > https://github.com/beman-project/beman/blob/main/docs/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md
> ?
> >
>
> That's a good one, but there are others.
>
>
> > > Q. What specific problems does the Code of Conduct intend to solve
> > (perhaps with examples)?
> >
>
> A code of conduct does nothing without enforcement, but the combination of
> the two will help solve problems.
>
> Several very strong and capable engineers have approached the Boost
> Foundation saying they will not participate in Boost without an enforced
> code of conduct. Some do this on general principle, and others because they
> actively don't feel comfortable participating in Boost spaces as they are
> currently run.
>
> There have been many studies showing uncivil workplace behavior causes poor
> performance, attrition, and reputational damage. There is every reason to
> believe this carries over to online communities as well.
>
> > Q. How does engagement generally increase when incorporating an enforced
> > Code of Conduct?
> >
>
> In Boost's case, this would take a while. Trust needs to be built up in the
> process and when people feel safe enough, they'll start joining in.
>
>
> > > Q. If there are potential volunteers waiting for a Code of Conduct to
> > begin contributing, what specifically is holding them back from
> > contributing now?
> >
>
> As mentioned above, there are folks who don't want to subject themselves to
> what they perceive to be an uncivil environment. A code of conduct is
> necessary, but not sufficient to convince these people that Boost will be a
> welcoming and emotionally healthy place to participate in. I'd like to echo
> Zach's point here. If outside individuals deem the community to be
> unwelcoming, it doesn't serve anyone to have a debate about whether they
> should be "thicker skinned." People who feel unwelcome will not
> participate.
>
>
> > > Q. What is the meaning of "trust" in the context of the proposal?
> > > Q. What problems does the current level of "trust within Boost" bring,
> > and how does a Code of Conduct solve them?
> >
>
> An enforced code of conduct would show individuals who have historically
> felt that Boost is an unwelcoming environment that it is starting to trend
> positively towards being more welcoming. This, over time, will increase
> engagement and encourage outside participation in the community.
>
>
> > #2
> > > Given that we just released Boost 1.86.0 a couple of weeks ago: Why
> > aren't Boost release announcements being posted to X at
> > https://x.com/Boost_Libraries ?
> >
>
> No one from the Boost community has offered wording for a post. The board
> is more than happy to make posts upon request.
>
>
> > #3
> > > If the community accepts the Boost Foundation's proposal as currently
> > written, would the Code of Conduct you institute prevent someone like
> > Arthur O'Dwyer from participating on the mailing lists?
> >
>
> The code of conduct has no provisions for proactively banning anyone. It is
> a process whereby someone can raise a concern to the code of conduct team,
> an investigation will be done, and a decision will be made.
>
> > #4
> > > Is it possible to rename a 501(c)(3) non-profit? Would the Boost
> > Foundation consider renaming?
> >
>
> Yes, it is possible, and yes it is something we would consider.
>
>
> > #5 (several along the same lines)
> > > What is the status of the domain transfer?
> >
>
> I believe I covered this in an earlier email. It's happening. It will just
> take time.
>
>
> > > What is the risk the transfer is not possible and the domain will lapse
> > and go to auction? Is there a signed agreement in place?
> >
>
> Low risk. Yes, there is a signed agreement in place.
>
>
> > #6 (several about the Beman project)
> > > What is the breakdown of funding the Boost Foundation gives to the
> Beman
> > project vs the Boost libraries?
> >
>
> Discounting Boost Foundation donations earmarked for the Beman project, the
> ratio of spending on the Boost project vs. the Beman project is 284:1.
>
>
> > > Does the Boost Foundation steer policy in the Beman project or just pay
> > the bills like it does for Boost?
> >
>
> The Boost Foundation is responsible for breaking community deadlock for the
> Boost project, but it does not do this for the Beman project. For the Beman
> project, it pays a small amount towards operating expenses.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Kristen
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 9:10 AM Vinnie Falco via Boost <
> boost_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 6:04 AM Andrzej Krzemienski via Boost
> > <boost_at_[hidden]> wrote:
> > > If one feels one got a green light from LEWG that one's
> > > library will be accepted into STD, the motivation for putting it into
> > Boost
> > > diminishes. Here, I do not think we will be able to do much.
> >
> > Inbal Levi is a member of the Boost Foundation Board of Directors. She
> > is also the chair of LEWG. Every library-only proposal for C++
> > (including std::execution) must go through LEWG first. LEWG could
> > simply adopt as a policy, that any library-only proposal must already
> > be published as a library, for a minimum period of time, and having
> > acquired users and integration in other public projects. This doesn't
> > mean it has to be accepted into Boost first, although that is an
> > option.
> >
> > The "green light from LEWG" could be changed to a red light. My
> > personal opinion is that if the only thing that LEWG did was to reject
> > all pure library proposals for ten years, C++ would be improved.
> >
>

Kristen, I am missing some context. It looks like you are answering
somebody's questions. Whose questions are they?

Regards,
&rzej;

> Thanks
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