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smart_ptr and handles
by Dirk Gregorius 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Dear group, is it possible to use smart_ptr with handles ( e.g. HWND, HBRUSH, HDC, etc )? Wouldn't it be quite convenient to have something like a scoped or shared resource? The idea came when I looked my OpenGL initialisation code, where I have to free the resource explictly every time an error occurs, which make the code somehow a little bit more difficult to read and I though that it would be nice to have some kind of RAII mechanism here. Regards, -Dirk

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Re: [gui] Concerning Scope (Was: thoughts on a GUI component library)
by brangdon＠cix.compulink.co.uk 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

In-Reply-To: <20041224050911.GA9037(a)maribor.izzy.net> alan-boost(a)engrm.com (Alan Gutierrez) wrote (abridged): > > I'm a bit concerned about the scope of this boost project. Our > > drawing framework is pretty huge. > > This is an important discussion to have sooner than later. > > 1) Is a GUI project a bad idea? > > 2) Is Boost the right place for the a GUI project? Supposing "yes" to both, that still leaves the question of scope. Possibly a "GUI" could just mean a high-level windowing system, and not a graphics drawing system. There is a lot to do just managing a tree of rectangles and dispatching events to and through them. The windowing system should arguably not care about the contents of the rectangles. It seems to me that adding a graphics system, with pens and brushes and polygons and text and bitmaps and wotnot, makes the project much bigger. Which isn't to say we shouldn't do it, and do all of it, but perhaps it is worth dividing it up into chunks or layers that are more or less independent. If that is possible. > I believe the time is ripe for a small, light-weight, XML + CSS > renderer to attack the new surge of RSS content on the web. OK. Perhaps my issue is that when I think of "GUI" I don't immediately translate that into "XML + CSS". -- Dave Harris, Nottingham, UK

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thoughts on a GUI component library
by Reece Dunn 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Hi All, I have been working on revising my GUI library that is currently in the sandbox. The motivation for doing this was Andy Little's comment that most GUI libraries start from a particular operating system and then abstract its interface, providing work-arounds for other GUI systems. There are several considerations to make with a GUI library. For insatance, it should be possible to support GUI interfaces on portable devices (e.g. Palm Pilot/PalmOS) and terminal devices (like is done with the VIM editor). With these devices, code needs to be written to provide common components such as buttons. Also, the target operating system places design problems on creating a generic interface. For example, Windows supports char * and wchar_t * versions of its API, but the version that should be used depends on whether you are targetting Windows 9x or NT based systems. Windows also requires each component type to be registered before you can create an instance of it. Each operating system has different arguments that it passes when an event is generated, containing data relating to that event. Consideration must be made to allow events to be written generically, but also allow you to hook into OS-specific events and get OS-specific data. With all this in mind, how do you design a GUI library for C++? Although a GUI component exists on the screen and is drawn on that screen, the components and graphics elements should be kept seperate, since it is primarily the OSs role to render a component. There are shared elements (mostly the position, size and area types) and the graphics layer should allow for graphics-based events to be handled by the components library. Taking a look at how C++ is designed, it is predominantly data orientated. That is, C++ allows you to create new data types that fit into the language via operator overloading. The STL provides collections of data and algorithms for manipulating those collections. Terminal-based applications are supported by I/O streams that allow you to send data out and read data in. I have taken this as the primary design feature when implementing the GUI components. Thus, each component has an event to signal user interaction (ondatachanged, onselectionchanged, onpressed) and data that is associated with the component. The first thing that comes to mind when reading "data that is associated with the component" is data binding. I think it is a mistake to build data binding directly into the component architecture. The reason for this is twofold: You would need to use templates to bind the different data objects to the control which makes it harder to implement the controls in a platform-independant way and can lead to code bloat. Also, consider having a textbox widget that you use to enter the age. Having: gui::textbox< long > age; How does the textbox perform the conversion? By storing the data as a string, the user can extract the information on data collection like this: long age = boost::lexical_cast< long >( age_input.get_text()); or long age = ::atol( age_input.get_text()); Another thing to take into account is when an input field has a validity based on other component values. For example, the valitity of a dates day field is dependant on month and year. In this instance, it is best to put all the validation logic in the base component and extract the data to a date class such as Boost.DateTime's date. A component has a size and position, as well as visibility (visible or hidden) and enabled/disabled states. The component should make it easy to interoperate with native API. The majority of the current proposals (mine included) have taken the approach of providing native interoperability with the OS-specific data structures. This is very difficult to maintain properly and support generic code because of the different names of the data elements, types used (long or float) and whether an area is (position + size) or (top-left + bottom-right). Also, most OSs have (0,0) being the top-left corner, but MacOS has (0,0) being bottom-left. With this in mind, I have taken a drastic approach: do not provide native interoperability for size, position and area. I have designed them as: struct position{ float x; float y; }; struct size{ float dx; float dy; }; struct area { float top; float left; float width; float height; }; This means that the interface must convert these to the native representations and vise versa. The current implementation (Windows specific at this time) can be found at: http://uk.geocities.com/msclrhd/gui/gui.zip Thoughts? Comments? Regards, Reece

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[iostreams] New version avaiable
by Jonathan Turkanis 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Dear All, The latest version of the Iostreams library is now available: http://home.comcast.net/~jturkanis/iostreams/ I'd like to thank everyone who sent me bug reports after I posted the previous version. I will include you in the acknowledgments when I rewrite the documentation. Contents: - I. Changes - II. Supported platforms - III. Remaining bugs. ----- I. Changes. There are two important changes. First, the code conversion component has been renamed "code_converter", and it now has an optional Codecvt template parameter. Example. #include <boost/iostreams/code_converter.hpp> #include <boost/iostreams/device/mapped_file.hpp> // Perform code conversion using the global locale: typedef code_converter<mapped_file_source> wide_mapped_file_source; // Perform code conversion using utf8_codecvt_facet: typedef code_converter< mapped_file_source, utf8_codecvt_facet<wchar_t> > utf8_mapped_file_source; code_converter has now been tested with all the codecvt facets from the Dinkumware CoreX library. Second, there is now an option to build the libraries zlib and bzip2 from the source, rather than linking to a pre-built version. To build zlib from the source, define the following variables: ZLIB_SOURCE - path to the .co files ZLIB_INCLUDE - path to the .he files, if different from ZLIB_SOURCE To link to a pre-built version, define the follwing variables: ZLIB_INCLUDE - path to the .h files ZLIB_LIBPATH - path to the library or archive file ZLIB_BINARY - name of the library or archive file If ZLIB_LIBPATH is not defined, it is assumed that the library file is in a location where it will be found automatically. If ZLIB_BINARY is not defined, it defaults to "z" on UNIX and Cygwin, and to "zdll" on windows (see http://www.gzip.org/zlib/DLL_FAQ.txt) Similar remarks apply for bzip2. ----- II. Supported platforms The tests have been run on the following platforms: VC7.1 with Dinkumware GCC 3.2 (MinGW) GCC 3.4.2 (MinGW) GCC 3.4.1 (Cygwin) CodeWarrior 8.3 (static runtime only) Intel 7.1 with Dinkumware (static runtime only) Intel 8.0 with Dinkumware Borland 5.6.4 with STLPort Failures: - GCC (MinGW, Cygwin): wide streams not supported - Borland 5.6.4: undiagnosed runtime errors in seekable_file_test.cpp, direct_adapter_test.cpp and code_converter_test.cpp III. Remaining bugs. Although the bzip2 tests pass on all the platforms in II, there is an outstanding problem reported by Michel Decima which I haven't been able to fix yet. Best Regards, Jonathan

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Template Metaprogramming I/O (well, O anyway)
by David Greene 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

I asked this question a year or two ago on the list. Has anyone come up with a good way to dump template metaprogramming information at compile time? I'd like to be able to do this both in a "print" sense (compiler warnings) and an "error" sence (compiler abort). I hacked something together last week that sort of does the job. There's a print<Message, FileLine> class that has a constructor with an unused variable declared. gcc gives a nice warning with -Wall. I also have some hacked macros to pass file and line number information to the printer. The printer will dump a warning if its constructor is ever instantiated. The use of all this appears in my last post in the "Named Template Parameters" thread. But this is really terrible. I don't like it much so I'm hoping someone else has a better solution. In particular, it's almost useless if there are any errors in the code because compilation will stop before instantiation happens. Unfortunately, this is _exactly_ the case where one really wants to get this information and figure out what's causing the compiler abort. I know this is useful functionality, practically required for any large metaprogramming project. I'd like to see if Boost can make something really good. -Dave

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Re: Interest in a fast lexical analyser compatible with Spirit
by Dave Handley 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Hartmut Kaiser wrote: >Since tokens have to be copied around in a typesafe manner I'd have >expected >to have something similar to the boost::variant, but maybe I've got you >wrong... How do you plan to achieve this? Copying through a base class >won't >work AFAICT? In my experience, copying around tokens is a major source of slow-down in lexers. The last lexer I wrote, I had to abandon the token class and use a C style union containing ints, doubles and std::string pointers. At the time, I was a little restricted in the amount I could use boost by my company, so I couldn't use boost.variant. Since then I've been putting a lot of thought into this problem and come up with one solution. We haven't completed integration testing with Spirit and other libraries yet using this technique (and I can foresee some issues already :-( ). The solution uses flyweighted tokens. The actual token exists in the rule, and during parsing, if the token has an assigned value, this is copied into the flyweight, then the token is passed around by reference/pointer. When you come to use the token in the parser you have a number of options: 1) Use it and then throw it away as soon as you call the ++ operator on the token_iterator. 2) Get the data out and do something with it - for example put it in a list/deque, etc. 3) Copy the token and use the copied version. For this final option, the token supports a virtual clone function to create copies of the flyweighted version for use elsewhere. An implementation point here is that the iterators contain a pointer to the token so that the iterator can be copied, or have the equals operator called, etc. There are some other potential solutions. However, any other solution leaves the problem of how to allocate and deallocate tokens on the heap very fast. I considered using Alexandrescu's small object allocator from the Loki library, and have also briefly looked at a boost.pool, but I am not comfortable with either of these solutions, because I am convinced that it will add too much of a burden to token creation. In my last lexer I found one or two orders of magnitude of speed improvement when I removed the token class and replaced it with a union. Since our first priority on this project is speed, I do not want the framework to slow down the DFA at all. The critical path in execution should definitely be the DFA. Dave Handley

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Re: Interest in a fast lexical analyser compatible with Spirit
by Dave Gomboc 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

> "The Hapy library would not exist if Spirit would generate correct > parsers by default..." > > Whoa. Them's fightin' words! I believe the author is referring to incomplete backtracking (not backtracking past an accepted token when there's a failure later on). It's something the Spirit gurus have taken into consideration for Spirit 2, AFAIK. Dave

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Interest in a fast lexical analyser compatible with Spirit
by Dave Handley 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Since I get the mailing list in a digest, it looks like I have a lot of questions to answer. Sorry for the long(er) post, but I'm answering them all in one post: Darren Cook wrote: >There seems some interest currently in alternatives/improvements to Spirit, >so I thought I'd mention Hapy: > http://hapy.sourceforge.net/ I'll have a look at Hapy and see whether we could interface to that as well. Joel de Guzman wrote: >Some more things to note: >* why use lexeme_d on the lexer stage? >* the comment rule can be rewritten as: > '#' >> *(anychar_p - eol_p) >> eol_p; >* stringLiteral can be rewriten similarly. >* word can be rewritten using chsets. I used lexeme_d because the VRML grammar uses whitespace to separate ints and floats. Without the lexeme_d, ints could merge into one. The other optimisations are all valid, but unfortunately, don't make any difference to the stopwatch. This is because comments, stringLiterals and words don't occur too often in a VRML file - most of the time is spent parsing floats and ints. Joel de Guzman wrote: >Sure, no problem. But watch out, Spirit-2 will have a speed improvement >in the 10X-20X range over classic Spirit ;-) I already have some test >cases, and this does not touch on predictive parsing and lexing. Joel, I would be really keen to try running my VRML test case through Spirit-2. Given that I've now got the Spirit-1 parser running at about 6-7 seconds, if you get a 10x speed improvement on this file, then it could make the case for separate lexing much harder to support! I may also need a bigger file to start doing test cases on - millisecond test timings don't make for accuracy in my view :-) Joel de Guzman wrote: >Anyway, as I said, I'm very interested with your lexer. >Would you be interested in a collaboration? Yes, we would be very interested in a collaboration. Hartmut Kaiser wrote: >How do you specify production rule's? Your above sample specifies how to >use >the recognition part only ;-) >The numbers are the token ID's, I assume? The production rules are wrapped up in the different (and extensible) concept of a token. The token_float for example will match a float, then store the matched number as a float inside the token. The normal token stores nothing since something like a keyword match you don't need the overhead of the original text, but the token_string stores the string that was matched. I am contemplating an interface that allows you to use a functor to perform some basic string manipulation before the token is stored - for example dropping the enclosing quotes or similar. Although this is clearly similar to functionality already available in Spirit. Yes the numbers are token IDs - I have contemplated using const char * template parameters as well, but at present I haven't done that because of the added difficulty of ensuring that your names have external linkage. Perhaps in the final version we can support both. >Is your token type a predefined one or is it possible to use my own token >types instead? >I'm asking, because Wave in principle allows to use any token type for its >work, but it requires the tokens to expose a certain (very small) >interface. In the system as stands, all token types must inherit from a base version. This base version provides lots of useful virtual functions that derived token types can work with. The iterator interface then returns the token_base from its de-reference function. You can define new token types, but accessing the specific interface on the derived token means doing one of: 1) Ensuring the interface is exposed in the token_base. 2) Using polymorphic despatch to get the correct type, through a visitor for example. 3) If only a single token type is used in the lexer then use a static_cast. 4) Using a dynamic_cast. You can also define new rule classes - at present we have written a rule class for conventional tokens, and another rule class for tokens that have a dynamic (run-time) ID rather than the static (compile-time) ID in the template parameter. Dave Handley

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[GUI] some random thoughts on GUI libs
by Christopher D. Russell 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Some random thoughts on GUI libraries: Message filtering, dispatch: Somewhere buried in Joel de Guzman's Spirit or Phoenix docs I recall mention of functional programming techniques being useful for working with graphical user interface library organization. This comment stuck in my head as I generally dislike the organization of message dispatch and filtering code in libraries like the MFC and the WTL. I've been interested in the idea of leveraging Spirit to implement event processing systems for some time (here we parse event streams - not characters, using Spirit's grammar to encode state machine transition logic, and dispatching specific state-bound actions via Spirit's semantic actions). In the context of a GUI library, it's occurred to me that Spirit might be employed to "parse" streams of mouse, keyboard, and graphic subsystem notification events via a custom Sprit scanner. This of course implies that mouse, keyboard, and graphic subsystem hooks are abstracted in some platform independent manner but that's doable. In essence, this is just another way to encode complex state machines. But I think it would be cool to encode the message filtering and dispatch logic in EBNF! Message routing: signals / slots? Window / subwindow hierarchy: Given that typical GUI applications have many "windows" that are typically created and destroyed in response to (a) user input (b) non-graphical subsystem events, a succinct mechanism is needed to keep track of parent / child windows hierarchies. This information is used to calculate / transform drawing coordinates, and affect changes to message dispatching / routing / filtering. I think this information should be modeled using the BGL so we can customize the overall behavior of the system using graph algorithms. One could go a step further even and use a top-level graph to model the windowing hierarchy and another graph associated with vertex properties to encode an arbitrary closed polyline to represent non-rectangular windows. Threads: It's useful to be able to associate a "window" with a thread for high-performance GUI drawing. This is somewhat of a pain under Windows for legacy reasons but it's possible (I've done it within the context of the WTL). Here you simply blast the video subsystem with draw requests from multiple threads and place the onus of optimizing the call sequence on the driver and the underlying hardware. It would be useful to take this into account explicitly and build multithread support directly into the library. Placing the burden of this on the library user will invariably limit the portability of any application written against the lib I think. Just my two cents worth - Chris

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[gui] On Native Controls
by Alan Gutierrez 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

* I don't think it matters much, to the user, if the button they click is a Motif button or an Aqua button, so long as their form is processed. Go to Amazon. All the buttons there are images. * Dealing with Win32 GDI controls is pain. Because they consume a Win32 window they are not going to place nice a more complex layout like a grid or a document. They are so few an simple, it is trivial to replicate them. The Win32 GDI is going to be a real problem, and it will put unnecessary design constraints on the GUI library if its poor behavior is enabled. * It is an aspect of the View of MV[PC] and the developer must be able to choose the View that suits their application. I think native controls should be supported in the case of PalmOS, where you can't overlay them anyway. Or in the case of windowing libraries that allow their controls to be clipped, where the native controls will behave properly when overlayed, and thus can take part in a complicated layout. -- Alan Gutierrez - alan(a)engrm.com

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