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Re: [boost] Using lexertl instead of spirit
by Hartmut Kaiser 22 Nov '06

22 Nov '06

Sorry, the first message got send out too early... > David Abrahams wrote: > > > > Yes, and Slex is the other one > > > > Not to mention XPressive? > > Xpressive is not really usable as a lexer, and Eric is aware of that. > I have a Wave lexer implemented with Xpressive here on my hard disk, > and it functions well, it is only 3 magnitudes slower as for instance > the re2c based one. The main reasons are: > > - no optimization between different regex's used for token > representation (no internal NFA/DFA generation) > - no way to tell which alternative matched if using regex's containing > alternatives > > The first rules out using separate regex's, one for each token, the > second one inhibits us from using one giant regex with alternatives... > > Both are probably merely natural restrictions stemmed from the fact > Xpressive is a regex library not a lexer generator. > The same issues would probably occur if we were trying to use > Boost.Regex for this task. FYI, I found my old timings of the different lexer types: Timing results for the different lexer types included with Wave: Re2C Slex Xlex ============================================================================ === All C++ tokens, lexer get's intstantiated for every C++ token ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 1000 times 1.63[s] 2.08[s] 1047.60[s] 751.57[s] (hoisted regex_match struct) ============================================================================ === Regards Hartmut

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Re: [boost] Using lexertl instead of spirit
by Hartmut Kaiser 22 Nov '06

22 Nov '06

> David Abrahams wrote: > > > > Yes, and Slex is the other one > > > > Not to mention XPressive? > > Xpressive is not really usable as a lexer, and Eric is aware > of that. I have a Wave lexer implemented with Xpressive here > on my hard disk, and it functions well, it is only 3 > magnitudes slower as for instance the re2c based one. The > main reasons are: > > - no optimization between different regex's used for token > representation (no internal NFA/DFA generation) > - no way to tell which alternative matched if using regex's > containing alternatives > > The first rules out using separate regex's, one for each > token, the second one inhibits us from using one giant regex > with alternatives... > > Both are probably merely natural restrictions stemmed from > the fact Xpressive is a regex library not a lexer generator. > The same issues would probably occur if we were trying to use > Boost.Regex for this task. Found my old timings of the different lexer types:

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[concept_check] Failures because of broken Jamfile.v2
by Rene Rivera 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

These failures <http://tinyurl.com/r6z9t> seem to be because the Jamfile.v2 in the branch has incorrectly defined the tests as link-fail instead of compile-fail. The HEAD version of that Jamfile.v2 is considerably different, and has the seemingly correct compile-fail tests. I would fix this myself but I don't know whether the different set of tests are intentional, or if someone just forgot to merge. -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com -- 102708583/icq - grafikrobot/aim - grafikrobot/yahoo

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Best Practices Question: Building, Installing, and Using Boost in Corporate Environments
by Christopher Woods 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

Hello! I'm rather new to Boost and I'm thinking about starting to use the libraries in some of our software development but I'm a bit lost as to how best to bring Boost into our environment. I'm looking for any information, tips, best practices, etc... on how to properly incorporate Boost in the environment without overwhelming the other developers. Some information that may be of help in answering my questions: - We use MSVC 6.5 (as Boost defines it), MSVC 7.1, and MSVC 8.0 depending on the project. (There has never been any great push to port existing and legacy projects to the newer compilers I'm afraid.) - Depending on the project between 1 and 3 developers are involved. - I work solo on most of my projects, however some of the more common aspects of my code are reused in other related projects maintained by other developers. If I start using Boost in these areas then they will need it on their machines as well... Some starter questions: 1) Is it generally advisable to store a copy of Boost in a local corporate repository so that all developers are using the same revision of the libraries? Or do you just let/instruct users grab the latest official release from Boost.org? (If repository is recommended then do you push up just the source, source + compiled, or just the staged files?) 2) How do you deal with bugs found in or enhancements to the various libraries between major release versions? (I guess this depends greatly upon how you answer the previous question.) 3) Do you build Boost once for all toolsets and have developers copy the staged files to their local machines? Or is each developer responsible for building the libraries themselves? (I realize that a majority of the libraries are headers only but there is a fair number of libraries included that need to be compiled as well.) 4) How do Service Packs and Platform SDK updates affect the built libraries? Should the libraries be rebuilt any time these change? I'm sure there are a lot more questions - I just have to have somewhere to start on the path. Obviously, there are companies out there that are using Boost within their environment and so I'd love to gain insight from their experiences and approaches. Any other related information that could be provided would be most certainly welcomed as well. Thank you in advance, -Chris PS - Perhaps in the end this information will prove to be sufficient in nature to warrant creating a guide/FAQ for the new user(s) wishing to bring Boost into their corporate environs. Or maybe there is one already and I just missed it completely? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[Regex] regex_match() and substr()
by capourrait＠free.fr 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

Hi, It seem that there is a problem when using the substr function in regex_match(). If you build and run the following code, it works fine. But try to comment the 6th line in findC function and uncomment the 7th line. Under Visual C++ 2005, I get the following: Debug assertion failed! Program: ..........exe File: ..........\vc\include\xstring Line: 271 Expression: string iterators incompatible Did I miss something? Thanks Eric // main.cpp #include <string> #include <iostream> #include <boost/regex.hpp> bool findC(const std::string& iText) { boost::regex regularExp(".*C.*"); boost::smatch match; std::string sub( iText.substr(2) ); if ( boost::regex_match(sub, match, regularExp) ) //if ( boost::regex_match(iText.substr(2), match, regularExp) ) { for ( int i=0; i<match.size(); ++i ) { if (match[i].matched) { std::cout << "match[" << i << "] " << match[i] << std::endl; return true; } } } else { std::cout << "'C' not found in '" << iText.substr(2) << "'" << std::endl; return false; } } int main( int argc, char* argv[] ) { //findC("x:ABXDE"); findC("x:ABCDE"); return EXIT_SUCCESS; }

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Boost inspection notification (2006-11-21/RC_1_34_0) *X*
by Rene Rivera 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

Boost Inspection Report Run Date: 17:03:10 UTC, Tuesday 21 November 2006 An inspection program <http://www.boost.org/tools/inspect/index.html> checks each file in the current Boost CVS for various problems, generating this as output. Problems detected include tabs in files, missing copyrights, broken URL's, and similar misdemeanors. 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Boost inspection notification (2006-11-21/RC_1_34_0) *LC*
by Rene Rivera 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

Boost Inspection Report Run Date: 17:03:22 UTC, Tuesday 21 November 2006 An inspection program <http://www.boost.org/tools/inspect/index.html> checks each file in the current Boost CVS for various problems, generating this as output. Problems detected include tabs in files, missing copyrights, broken URL's, and similar misdemeanors. 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Boost regression notification (2006-11-21 [RC_1_34_0])
by Douglas Gregor 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

Boost Regression test failures Report time: 2006-11-20T05:51:08Z This report lists all regression test failures on release platforms. Detailed report: http://engineering.meta-comm.com/boost-regression/CVS-RC_1_34_0/developer/i… 214 failures in 22 libraries concept_check (60) date_time (2) graph (2) io (1) iostreams (10) iterator (3) lambda (1) math (24) mpl (3) numeric/interval (2) optional (1) parameter (1) python (58) random (1) regex (4) serialization (7) signals (4) spirit (3) statechart (13) test (12) thread (1) utility (1) |concept_check| class_concept_fail_expected: borland-5.6.4 borland-5.8.2 borland-5.8.2 cw-9.4 darwin-4.0.1 gcc-3.2.3_linux gcc-3.3.6 gcc-3.3.6_linux gcc-3.4.4 gcc-3.4.5_linux gcc-3.4.5_linux_x86_64 gcc-4.0.3_linux gcc-4.1.0_linux gcc-4.1.0_linux_x86_64 gcc-4.1.1_sunos_i86pc hp_cxx-71_006_tru64 intel-linux-9.0 intel-vc71-win-9.1 intel-vc8-win-9.1 msvc-6.5 msvc-7.0 msvc-7.1 msvc-7.1 msvc-8.0 msvc-8.0 qcc-3.3.5_cpp qcc-3.3.5_cpp qcc-3.3.5_gpp qcc-3.3.5_gpp sun-5.8 concept_check_fail_expected: borland-5.6.4 borland-5.8.2 borland-5.8.2 cw-9.4 darwin-4.0.1 gcc-3.2.3_linux gcc-3.3.6 gcc-3.3.6_linux gcc-3.4.4 gcc-3.4.5_linux gcc-3.4.5_linux_x86_64 gcc-4.0.3_linux gcc-4.1.0_linux gcc-4.1.0_linux_x86_64 gcc-4.1.1_sunos_i86pc hp_cxx-71_006_tru64 intel-linux-9.0 intel-vc71-win-9.1 intel-vc8-win-9.1 msvc-6.5 msvc-7.0 msvc-7.1 msvc-7.1 msvc-8.0 msvc-8.0 qcc-3.3.5_cpp qcc-3.3.5_cpp qcc-3.3.5_gpp qcc-3.3.5_gpp sun-5.8 |date_time| testduration: borland-5.8.2 testgenerators_dll: gcc-4.1.0_linux |graph| adj_list_cc: qcc-3.3.5_gpp bfs: intel-linux-9.0 |io| ios_state_test: borland-5.8.2 |iostreams| bzip2_test: msvc-7.1 msvc-8.0 file_descriptor_test: cw-9.4 finite_state_filter_test: cw-9.4 gzip_test: msvc-7.1 msvc-8.0 mapped_file_test: cw-9.4 newline_test: borland-5.8.2 zlib_test: msvc-7.1 msvc-8.0 |iterator| filter_iterator_test: borland-5.8.2 lvalue_concept_fail: borland-5.8.2 msvc-7.1 |lambda| bind_tests_simple: intel-linux-9.0 |math| common_factor_test: borland-5.8.2 cw-9.4 darwin-4.0.1 gcc-3.2.3_linux gcc-3.3.6 gcc-3.3.6_linux gcc-3.4.4 gcc-3.4.5_linux gcc-3.4.5_linux_x86_64 gcc-4.0.3_linux gcc-4.1.0_linux gcc-4.1.0_linux_x86_64 gcc-4.1.1_sunos_i86pc hp_cxx-71_006_tru64 intel-linux-9.0 intel-vc71-win-9.1 intel-vc8-win-9.1 msvc-6.5 msvc-7.0 msvc-7.1 msvc-7.1 msvc-8.0 msvc-8.0 sun-5.8 |mpl| int: borland-5.8.2 integral_c: borland-5.8.2 size_t: borland-5.8.2 |numeric/interval| mul: borland-5.8.2 test_float: borland-5.8.2 |optional| optional_test: borland-5.8.2 |parameter| python_test: msvc-7.1 |python| andreas_beyer: msvc-7.1 args: msvc-7.1 auto_ptr: msvc-7.1 back_reference: msvc-7.1 ben_scott1: msvc-7.1 bienstman1: msvc-7.1 bienstman2: msvc-7.1 bienstman3: msvc-7.1 builtin_converters: msvc-7.1 callbacks: msvc-7.1 const_argument: msvc-7.1 crossmod_exception: msvc-7.1 crossmod_opaque: msvc-7.1 data_members: msvc-7.1 defaults: msvc-7.1 dict: msvc-7.1 docstring: msvc-7.1 enum: msvc-7.1 exception_translator: msvc-7.1 extract: msvc-7.1 implicit: msvc-7.1 injected: msvc-7.1 iterator: msvc-7.1 keywords: msvc-7.1 list: msvc-7.1 long: msvc-7.1 map_indexing_suite: msvc-7.1 minimal: msvc-7.1 multi_arg_constructor: msvc-7.1 nested: msvc-7.1 numpy: msvc-7.1 object: msvc-7.1 opaque: msvc-7.1 operators: msvc-7.1 pearu1: msvc-7.1 pickle1: msvc-7.1 pickle2: msvc-7.1 pickle3: msvc-7.1 pickle4: msvc-7.1 pointer_vector: msvc-7.1 polymorphism: msvc-7.1 polymorphism2: msvc-7.1 polymorphism2_auto_ptr: msvc-7.1 properties: msvc-7.1 raw_ctor: msvc-7.1 return_arg: msvc-7.1 shared_ptr: msvc-7.1 slice: msvc-7.1 staticmethod: msvc-7.1 stl_iterator: msvc-7.1 str: msvc-7.1 test_pointer_adoption: msvc-7.1 try: msvc-7.1 tuple: msvc-7.1 vector_indexing_suite: msvc-7.1 virtual_functions: msvc-7.1 voidptr: msvc-7.1 wrapper_held_type: msvc-7.1 |random| random_test: intel-linux-9.0 |regex| regex_regress: borland-5.8.2 regex_regress_dll: borland-5.8.2 regex_regress_threaded: borland-5.8.2 test_grep: msvc-6.5 |serialization| test_reset_object_address: msvc-7.0 test_reset_object_address_dll: msvc-7.0 test_utf8_codecvt: borland-5.8.2 test_variant_xml_archive: borland-5.8.2 test_variant_xml_archive_dll: borland-5.8.2 test_variant_xml_warchive: borland-5.8.2 test_variant_xml_warchive_dll: borland-5.8.2 |signals| deletion_test: msvc-6.5 ordering_test: msvc-6.5 signal_n_test: msvc-6.5 trackable_test: msvc-6.5 |spirit| switch_tests_single_debug: intel-linux-9.0 symbols_add_null: msvc-7.1 symbols_add_null_debug: msvc-7.1 |statechart| BitMachineExample: cw-9.4 hp_cxx-71_006_tru64 qcc-3.3.5_cpp qcc-3.3.5_cpp qcc-3.3.5_gpp qcc-3.3.5_gpp CameraExample: cw-9.4 PerformanceExample: cw-9.4 PingPongExample: hp_cxx-71_006_tru64 TransitionTestBoth: qcc-3.3.5_gpp qcc-3.3.5_gpp TransitionTestRelaxed: qcc-3.3.5_gpp qcc-3.3.5_gpp |test| prg_exec_fail1: intel-vc71-win-9.1 intel-vc8-win-9.1 msvc-6.5 msvc-7.0 msvc-7.1 msvc-8.0 prg_exec_fail2: darwin-4.0.1 prg_exec_fail3: borland-5.8.2 cw-9.4 msvc-7.1 test_case_template_test: borland-5.8.2 test_fp_comparisons: cw-9.4 |thread| test_tss_lib: borland-5.8.2 |utility| operators_test: gcc-3.4.5_linux_x86_64

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[Boost-bugs] [ boost-Bugs-1600530 ] Unused argument warnings in serialization code
by SourceForge.net 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

Bugs item #1600530, was opened at 2006-11-21 11:42 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=107586&aid=1600530&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: date_time Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Caleb Epstein (cepstein) Assigned to: Jeff Garland (az_sw_dude) Summary: Unused argument warnings in serialization code Initial Comment: The various "version" and "file_version" arguments to the date_time serialization methods are unused, leading to compiler warnings from gcc. Patch is attached. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=107586&aid=1600530&group_… ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV _______________________________________________ Boost-bugs mailing list Boost-bugs(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/boost-bugs

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mistaken uses of <iostream>
by Howard Hinnant 21 Nov '06

21 Nov '06

<iostream> is the only C++ header that extracts a cost simply by including it (in typical implementations). The usual implementation is for it to include a static object of type std::ios_base::Init which is responsible for initializing the 8 terminal streams (cin, cout, cerr, clog, wcin, wcout, wcerr, wclog). I've always thought it good programming practice to avoid including <iostream> if the translation unit didn't actually need one of these 8 terminal streams. For example if I needed to just get to istream and ostream to write my own I/O I would include <istream> and <ostream> but not <iostream> (the naming is very unfortunate). It has recently come to my attention that I could be overly sensitive to this issue and making a fuss about nothing. So I'm writing here for a reality check. Do boost programmers consider the use of <iostream> as a short cut to get to non-terminal-streams I/O a reasonable technique? Or do boost programmers feel that use of <iostream> should be reserved only when using one or more of cin, cout, cerr, clog, wcin, wcout, wcerr, wclog? I did a brief survey of boost 1.33.1 and found many "relaxed" uses of <iostream> under the boost/ directory (i.e. non test-case code). So in practice it does appear that using <iostream> as a shortcut is considered acceptable practice. However I wanted to highlight the point just in case people do view this as a bug that has simply snuck in under the radar to date. -Howard

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