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status/expected_results.xml must go!
by Beman Dawes 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

In a discussion on the Steering Committee mailing list, Robert Ramey wrote: > I'm still having a problem with a newer library which only supports a more recent version > of C++ such as C++11. Our testing system doesn't permit me to say "don't test this compilers > which don't support C++11". With our current system, anyone who looks at test results will > get failures for compilers which don't support the version his library requires. This is incorrect, > and misleading to potential users of the library, and discourages authors from submitting > libraries which depend on modern C++ features. Also, it wastes a lot of testing time generating > this bogus information. I would ask that the powers that be try to convince the maintainers of > the boost testing setup to address this. The current way we markup expected failures is via boost-root/status/expected_results.xml. That creates two problems: * It is a maintenance nightmare as more and more libraries are added to Boost. This is library-specific information and so should be part of each module, not the super-project. * As Robert points out, we shouldn't even be running tests that are bound to fail anyhow. It would seem that each library needs to be able to tell bjam/b2 to skip certain tests, or even all tests, under certain conditions. As Marshall Clow has been pointing out, we desperately need someone to take over the regression test reporting maintenance, and redesign it to meet our current needs. --Beman

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Unmerged changes in MPL
by Peter Dimov 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

The following commits are only in mpl:develop but not in mpl:master: C:\Projects\boost-git\boost\libs\mpl>git log master..develop commit f976861e13f0bb37dd6380c02ccc0d42140daebe Author: Paul <pfultz2(a)yahoo.com> Date: Fri May 16 02:38:50 2014 -0400 Add test for constexpr conversion operator commit ed58434c88ac03816fa0d232c679d551987b42a9 Author: Paul <pfultz2(a)yahoo.com> Date: Sun Dec 29 05:46:32 2013 -0500 Add constexpr to conversion operator for bool integral constants commit 1f482c4fa1d8fc66dc34776b04414f660cc66e76 Author: Paul <pfultz2(a)yahoo.com> Date: Sat Dec 28 23:29:09 2013 -0500 Add constexpr to conversion operator for integral constants What needs to be done with them? Release or revert?

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[predef] Version 1.1 (Boost 1.56)
by Rene Rivera 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

FYI.. I've merged over the develop 1.1 version of Predef to master for general use. This should resolve the request from Beman to get this done ASAP :-) Changes for this release include: * Addition of `BOOST_PLAT_*` platform definitions for MinGW and Windows platform variants. * Detection of ARM architecture for Windows compilers to target mobile devices of WIndows 8. * Improved ARM detection for 64 bit ARM. * Added detection of iOS an an operating system. * Improved detection of endianess on some platforms. * Addition of exclusive plus emulated definitions for platform and compiler detection. The big change for this version is the restructuring of the definitions to avoid duplicate definitions in one category. That is, only one `BOOST_OS_*`, `BOOST_COMP_*`, and `BOOST_PLAT_*` variant will be detected (except for sub-categories). -- -- Rene Rivera -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Robot Dreams - http://robot-dreams.net -- rrivera/acm.org (msn) - grafikrobot/aim,yahoo,skype,efnet,gmail

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Proposal: Boost.Core
by Peter Dimov 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

I propose the creation of a new module, Boost.Core, a repository of Boost core utilities. The criteria for inclusion into this module would be that the utility component is (a) simple, (b) used by other Boost libraries, (c) does not depend on any headers outside of Core and Config (and perhaps Assert). Its primary purpose would be to break dependencies. It will not serve as a repository of "this might be useful". Based on the interest so far, I volunteer myself, Glen Fernandes and Andrey Semashev as maintainers. The following utilities are immediate candidates for migration into the new module: - addressof - enable_if - boost/pointee.hpp - boost/indirect_reference.hpp - boost/type.hpp In addition, the following can be duplicated inside to reduce dependencies: - mpl::if_, if_c, eval_if - detail/is_incrementable.hpp - remove_cv and so on.

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[Modularization] Moving boost/detail/scoped_enum_emulation.hpp out of Detail
by Vicente J. Botet Escriba 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

Hi, |<boost/detail/scoped_enum_emulation.hpp> is a workaround for non C++11|. What about moving it to Config or Core? Vicente

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Report on Primary dependencies for
by Vicente J. Botet Escriba 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

Hi, Thanks Peter for providing this dependency report. There is an issue on this report http://www.pdimov.com/tmp/report/thread.html Primary dependencies for thread *unknown* <http://www.pdimov.com/tmp/report/*unknown*.html> |<boost/thread/executors/executor_wrapper.hpp>| * from |<boost/thread/executors/scheduled_executor.hpp>| |<boost/thread/queues/sync_timed_queue.hpp>| * from |<boost/thread/executors/scheduled_executor.hpp>| These files are all inside Boost.Thread. I have just remove two direct dependencies Optional and MPL that were not really necessary. Best, Vicente

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Convert library review manager result
by Edward Diener 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

This is my analysis of the 'convert' library review and the result of whether the convert library should be accepted into Boost. Please read the entire analysis to understand my reasoning before reading the result. I would like to thank all of those who took part in the review and made comments. This includes Julian Gonggrip, Rob Stewart, Andrzej Krzemienski, Matus Chochlik, Jeroen Habraken, Erik Nelson, Hartmut Kaiser, Joel De Guzman, Thijs (M.A.) van den Berg, Roland Bock, Gavin Lambert, feverzsj, Paul Bristow, and alex. If I have missed anybody I do apologize. All comments were taken into account and all comments were intelligent and to the point. Naturally I would also like to than Vladimir Batov for patiently answering all comments and explaining and defending his library and his design decisions. For the most part I am going to focus on general issues rather than on the individuals who made them. Documentation issues: The documentation was too focused on explaining the library as it differed from lexical_cast. Vladimir Batov explained why this is so but I also agree that the documentation can be better by simply focusing on what the library provides in terms of functionality. Comments also mentioned that the current converters are not documented as well as the could be, and some commenters reflected that knowledge of how a particular converter works, including possible failures using that converter, is also needed despite the common library interface. The documentation did not provide enough information about the use of locales in the library. The reference section was very limited with not enough explanation. A reference built from doxygen comments in the source files would be better. A better explanation or example in the documentation for writing one's own converter was suggested. Although the Performance section in the documentation was fairly lengthy some commenters wanted to know why some things could not be tested. Others wanted more information about how convert performance compared to other convert-like implementations. In general I think most reviewers found the documentation adequate for understanding how to use the library but lacking in completeness. Vladimir Batov reflected that if the library were accepted into Boost he would then create more complete documentation and the above issues could be addressed. Implementation issues: As in most reviews most commenters did not look very deeply into the actual code but were happy to know how to use the library, and this is understandable for a review. There were a few pertinent comments however and I am just going to enumerate them. All macros should be prefix with BOOST_. My own addition to that is that all macros should be prefixed with BOOST_CONVERT_ to avoid any conflicts with other libraries. There should be a jamfile for running the tests. Also some full-blown examples of using the library in a simple program, along with the appropriate jamfile, would be helpful. Source code should contain spaces, not tabs. This is an easily fixed minor issue. As mentioned before doxygen comments in the public source are the usual Boost way of doing things. The main header file should be convert.hpp instead of api.h. Some includes were missing from the printf converter. Design issues: In the design of the library is where we have the most varying views. The major issue in discussing the design of the library for those who felt it was inadequate were the comments that using the library was too complicated, that the central function for invoking a conversion should be simpler to use. While all suggestions were well-argued I felt that a number of these differences were merely syntactical issues rather than issues that made the functionality easier to use. The main interface for using the library is: convert<output_type>::from(input_value, converter) Vladimir Batov had asserted during the review that this could be simplified further by removing the need for the 'from::' part of the signature which would make the syntax simpler. Some reviewers did not like the name 'convert' and offered substitutions, others wanted the default value, currently specified as '.value_or(default)', to be specified as a direct input parameter, others wanted the converter itself which is an input parameter to be specified via another syntax. All of these are too me syntactical issues and no resolution could possibly please everybody but it is understandable that different reviewers have different syntactical preferences. More to the point were some changes in actual functionality. The three most important involved the return value, type requirements for the output type, and the use of a default converter. Considering each in its turn: 1) The return value is some form of 'optional', with the idea of using boost::optional if it meets all the requirements needed by the 'convert' library. A number of people wanted the actual value returned without having to append .value() to the convert signature to get it. They were also concerned with the performance overhead of having to create an optional value as the immediate return value. It was also suggested that while the current convert syntax might be fine, some alternatives directly returning the value, for those who like maximum simplicity, might be possible. 2) The type requirements for the output type are default constructible and copy constructible. A number of reviewers felt that if a non-const reference were passed to the convert function as an output instance then the type requirements would not have to be met. However the type requirements of some of the underlying converters might be affected by this and the documentation does explain how to work around the default constructible requirement, but I still do understand the reasoning behind this possibility. 3) A number of reviewers wanted a default converter to be used but there was hardly an agreement on what this default converter should be, some favoring lexical_cast, others favoring stringstream, and no doubt others might want something else. Nevertheless providing a default constructor interface, possible with a macro defined a compile time, seems like it might be doable. There was further discussion about the actual callable signature for a plug-in converter. Here there was less contention about the interface, which is currently a callable with a signature of: template<typename TypeOut, typename TypeIn> bool operator()(TypeIn const& value_in, TypeOut& result_out) const; Vladimir Batov did suggest some possible alternatives and there was a discussion with a number of reviewers about alternatives that seem implementable. This also ties into the concern of some reviewers that it should be straightforward to create one's own converters with minimum restrictions on the input and output types, as well as minimum performance overhead. Votes: A number of reviewers made comments but offered no final vote on whether or not the conversion library should be accepted into Boost. Some reviewers offered a Yes vote, but heavily based on changes they want to see. I will attempt to tabulate them here: YES votes: Christopher Kormanyos Paul Bristow Julian Gonggrip ( with some reservations which Vladimir Batove has met or may easily meet ) Andrzej Krzemienski Matus Chochlik YES, conditionally but otherwise NO if conditions are not met, which the current version does not meet] Jeroen Habraken Roland Bock alex NO Rob Stewart Final Decision: Among those who voted YES conditionally but otherwise NO there was a general consensus including Vladimir Batov, the 'convert' library creator, and some of the others that an attempt could be made to satisfy some of the conditions for simplification and/or functionality they desired. My decision, based on the votes as I interpret them, is that the convert library is ACCEPTED into Boost. While a perfect design is impossible I believe that the design of the library is an adequate starting point for a general-purpose conversion framework and that the design could change incrementally enough to satisfy some of the qualms of those who might not find it as initially useful as they have hoped, while still maintaining the central framework which Vladimir Batov has created. Furthermore I believe that others have reflected that a general-purpose conversion library would be very useful if it were flexible enough to support plug-in converters created by programmers, as the 'convert' library does. I realize that what is essentially a 5 to 4 vote in favor of the library is not an overwhelming consensus by any means but I feel that 3 of those 4 NO votes are predicated on wishes for possible changes to the 'convert' library which may yet be met before the library gets officially added to an upcoming Boost release. Since I have accepted the library based on the votes and my interpretation of the issues I would like to encourage those who feel that some alternate designs could be implemented as part of the 'convert' library to work with Vladimir Batov, if he is agreeable, to add those alternatives to the library. Nonetheless it is his library and he would be the final arbiter of any decisions reached. I would like to encourage the view, however, that the current design is what has been voted in by others as the 'convert' library so that any changes made to it as it is added to Boost should be incremental additions which minimally change what others see as an acceptable library.

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boost::python support for python 3.4 enums
by Erik H 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

Hi all, Is anyone else interested in boost::python support for Python 3.4 style enums <https://docs.python.org/3/library/enum.html>? Python 3.4 enums have been backported to every Python version you could want, so I use them a lot in my Python code these days. I have many boost::python enum_ instances that have always been problematic due to the complete won't-fix brokenness of boost::python enum nesting (you can nest a boost::python enum in a class's scope, but the type() of the enum is ***WRONG*** because it somehow manages to forget its proper scope, which causes immense and unending pain when something needs to make a new enum_ instance in Python from code that I don't control). So, I am implementing a boost::python::intenum along the lines of boost::python::enum_, but with proper scope nesting provided that I can figure out how to do it. I'll be back with code soon. Best, Erik

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Boost 1.56 timeframe
by Jonathan Jones 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

Hi folks, Is there a timeframe for the release of Boost 1.56? The current 1.56 page simply states that it's at an early stage in its release cycle (but it has said this for months). http://www.boost.org/users/history/version_1_56_0.html I'm asking in the context of Visual Studio 2013. Boost 1.55 is known to have issues with VS2013, which I'm hoping the 1.56 release would address. Sincerely, Jonathan Jones

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Pervasive dependency upon mpl::bool_
by Peter Dimov 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

We have lots of headers that depend on mpl::bool_ in order to define traits classes as deriving from mpl::true_ or mpl::false_. I don't think that this dependency is necessary even for MPL interoperability. The normal way of template<class T> struct trait { BOOST_STATIC_CONSTANT( bool, value = false ); }; should work just as well. I think. As one example, there's detail/blank.hpp, which starts with #include "boost/mpl/bool.hpp" #include "boost/type_traits/is_empty.hpp" #include "boost/type_traits/is_pod.hpp" #include "boost/type_traits/is_stateless.hpp" It doesn't really need these includes. namespace boost { struct blank { }; // type traits specializations // template <> struct is_pod< blank > : mpl::true_ { }; This can be written as template<class T> struct is_pod; template<> struct is_pod< blank > { BOOST_STATIC_CONSTANT( bool, value = true ); }; which requires no includes. The problem is, though, that all type traits do derive from mpl::true_ or mpl::false_, and I'm not sure if rewriting blank.hpp in the above manner is actually correct. Should type trait specializations always derive from mpl::true_ or mpl::false_? Will I break something if I specialize a type trait to not derive from mpl::bool_? Or is a nested ::value enough? Who knows. :-) But really, if a header, whose entire purpose is to define an empty struct, can't get by without including type traits and mpl, we've lost the dependency game before it's even started.

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