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From: David Abrahams (david.abrahams_at_[hidden])
Date: 2002-03-24 16:35:46

More bugs: when I try to run the Boost.Python V2 tests on Linux with
GCC, one of the new library versioning features is interfering: I now
get complaints from the OS when I try to load a Python module depending
on that can't be found.


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Abrahams" <david.abrahams_at_[hidden]>
To: <jamboost_at_[hidden]>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [jamboost] Bugs/Moratorium

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rene Rivera" <grafik666_at_[hidden]>
> > Hmm, forgot about PYD targets :-( My fault. EXEs right are the only
> things
> > which aren't dependencies to declare-local-target.
> Ah.
> > >If we can all agree, I'd like to declare a moratorium on
> modifications
> > >to v1 other than fixes for SERIOUS bugs. There are two reasons for
> > >suggestion:
> > >
> > >a. in order to make progress on v2.
> > >b. so that boost has a stable and working build system during v2
> > >development
> > ></big picture>
> >
> > Agreed, every time I think the feature set is done with for a while
> someone
> > comes up with something else, and a patch for it. One of the things
> that has
> > gotten us, mostly me in this case, in trouble is the lack of
> documentation for
> > the features that currently exist. And therefore getting broken when
> new code
> > comes in.
> Tests are almost more important than docs. Vladimir wrote a snazzy
> python testing system but I never got around to trying to use it. We'd
> need a dummy toolset definition for testing purposes. All it would
> to do is echo or cat some simple data into files.
> > Some of the changes I've made are my attempt at cleaning up some of
> the
> > convoluted code structure that has crept into V1.
> Crept? Heck, it was convoluted before you ever touched it (my fault).
> > Dave this is a consequence
> > of the suggestions to factor out things, to clean up code.
> A good idea in principle, but I think we agree...
> > I think it's time to stop that. I agree it's time to stop V1
> development.
> > Every time I go into that code I keep wishing I was doing V2 instead
> :-\
> Good!
> > >From V1 code point of view I'd like to see instead an effort to
> document the
> > current interface, what it does, or rather what it should do. We
> this so
> > we can tell what's a bug or not. And we need it for V2
> This is
> > the counterpart to the architecture docs of V2.
> Well, I agree in principle, but in the face of realistic time
> constraints I really think the emphasis should be on tests more than
> docs. In any case, tests and docs support one another. It's easy to
> sure you document everything you test for, and vice-versa.
> > Also any new features we think of or receive from others should,
> instead of
> > getting patched in, be commented on, documented and added to the V2
> todo list.
> > The absence of this documentation is what currently worries me about
> V2 also.
> Agreed. However, what worries me more is the lack of momentum. It has
> been so long since we completed the architecture doc that I can't
> remember what it says, and I've spent far more time with the v1 code
> than with the v2 code during that time.
> > We have docs on the internal implementation of V2 will be but not of
> what the
> > top level features it's trying to implement, other than the existing
> V1 code.
> Partly that's because we really have a code /framework/, with both
> programmer-level and user-level functionality, and there's a continuum
> between users and programmers of this system. That can make it
> to decide which elements to expose in the top-level docs.
> What do you think needs to be covered in the top-level docs which
> currently isn't?
> > And as we all know code is the worst documentation ;-|
> Yep.
> > >**No, it's not just Rene. I did the PYD and vc6/vc7 stuff, which I
> > >needed for my own work.
> >
> > Yep, we all do it because of our work. I was eager to put in the
> template rule
> > because it will immediately help in cleaning up my ever growing
> of
> > Jamfiles in my project.
> I should really apply it to Python, now that we have it. Strangely,
> there's no really good place for it at the moment, because the
> python.jam module doesn't have an identity in the (sub)project
> hierarchy...
> -Dave
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