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From: David Abrahams (dave_at_[hidden])
Date: 2007-05-05 08:54:22

on Sat May 05 2007, "Gennadiy Rozental" <> wrote:

> "David Abrahams" <dave_at_[hidden]> wrote in message
> news:87hcqs9p9d.fsf_at_valverde.peloton...
>> on Fri May 04 2007, "Gennadiy Rozental" <>
>> wrote:
>>> While in general I agree, IMO discussing how we are going to test
>>> the libraries before deciding how the process is organized in
>>> general is like putting cart in front of a horse. Part of my
>>> proposition directly affect the way testing needs to be organized.
>> Clearly. And a whole bunch of other things. It's a radical, sweeping
> Not soo radical.

Maybe I should look at it again (when I find a few minutes). It seems
as though your proposal has shifted a bit in response to feedback. Is
there any chance you could throw the latest version up on the Boost
Wiki (or, better, the new Boost Trac Wiki) so we can always look in
the same place for the current state?

>> change to how we do things that raises lots of knotty questions.
> It does. They can be resolved though IMO.

Perhaps they can; I just don't think we can do it in the next 10 days.

>> This cart is already being driven by an ox, as it were, and we can't
>> afford to buy a horse yet, nor can we easily agree that your horse is
>> the best way to pull the cart. I hope we can upgrade the cart much
>> sooner than we could agree on all that, and I know the process of
>> doing so will stand us in good stead no matter how we decide to change
>> the release process.
> I don't dare to assume my proposition is best possible. I just would
> like us to consider it.

As I mentioned already, I hope we will consider it (even at BoostCon),
and maybe even account for it a little in the testing sprint.
However, I also hope that we won't spend any time in the testing
sprint discussing (or arguing about) how to restructure the release
process. That means we have to agree on a working assumption about
what the release process will be and I think we have to go with the
"more-or-less consensus" that we already have.

>> There seems to be, more-or-less, a consensus on the list that in the
>> near term, we'll be working with a variation of the plan Beman posted
>> some time ago, which is already quite different from what we're doing
>> now. We only have a short time to work on the testing problem in
>> Aspen, and IMO much too little time there to agree on your plan.
>> Again, In order to avoid derailing the sprint, I ask that we limit the
>> scope of what we're considering there to the topic of the sprint.
> Again. I don't insist it to be discussed here and now.

Discussing it here and now is good. I'm worried about Monday, May 14
19:30 Mountain Daylight Time. :)

> Though as I said in a long term this is the way to go IMO. The only
> reason I brought it up now is that it would affect the testing big
> time.

It's an important consideration.

Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
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