Suggestion: link to the libraries page not easy to find
Hi Boost team, I don't know where to put this suggestion. Even if boost is now well known, I think in the boost's home page there should be a well visible, easy to find, link to http://www.boost.org/libs/libraries.htm because this is exactly what boost is about, I think. Best Regards, Marcello
"Marcello Pietrobon" <teiffel@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:406352E4.4040808@attglobal.net...
Hi Boost team,
I don't know where to put this suggestion.
Even if boost is now well known, I think in the boost's home page there should be a well visible, easy to find, link to http://www.boost.org/libs/libraries.htm
because this is exactly what boost is about, I think.
Are you aware that Libraries -> Documentation -> Current Release links to this page, or do you think the label is unclear? I think it might be slighly more user-friendly if Documentation were a direct link to the libraries page, and Nightly CVS were a separate entry under Documentation, but this is a minor point. Nightly CVS seems to be pretty useless at the moment since most of the links are broken. Jonathan
Jonathan Turkanis wrote:
"Marcello Pietrobon" <teiffel@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:406352E4.4040808@attglobal.net...
Hi Boost team,
I don't know where to put this suggestion.
Even if boost is now well known, I think in the boost's home page there should be a well visible,
easy to
find, link to http://www.boost.org/libs/libraries.htm
because this is exactly what boost is about, I think.
Are you aware that Libraries -> Documentation -> Current Release links to this page, or do you think the label is unclear?
Thank you for both nice answers. I definitely must be tired. Or maybe for a person knowing where to go it is obvious, but not for the other people, When I read *Libraries *. Documentation: Current release <http://www.boost.org/libs/libraries.htm> Nightly CVS <http://www.boost.org/regression-logs/cs-win32_metacomm/doc/html/libraries.html> I felt that those were links to specific tecnical informations about the current release and how to get the cvs, .... I think that 'Nightly CVS <http://www.boost.org/regression-logs/cs-win32_metacomm/doc/html/libraries.html>'' is misleading and made me to think that also Current release <http://www.boost.org/libs/libraries.htm> was a link to documentation about how to download boos stuff .... So I didn't even went there, and I tried other links. Maybe instead than Current release <http://www.boost.org/libs/libraries.htm> the name Libraries listing would be better. Or maybe to make Documentation itself a link would be helpful. This time I also clicked on 'Nightly CVS <http://www.boost.org/regression-logs/cs-win32_metacomm/doc/html/libraries.html>' and I was really surprised to read Chapter 1. The Boost C++ Libraries etc, etc, I don't know a better name but definitely not 'Nightly CVS <http://www.boost.org/regression-logs/cs-win32_metacomm/doc/html/libraries.html>' I am ignorant and I tend to think that 'Nightly CVS <http://www.boost.org/regression-logs/cs-win32_metacomm/doc/html/libraries.html>' is referring to how to get the last changes in the repository. Just my personal opinion. Please ignore it if it doesn't make sense. Best Regards, Marcello
Marcello Pietrobon <teiffel@attglobal.net> writes:
Thank you for both nice answers. I definitely must be tired.
Maybe, but I think we have a real problem.
Or maybe for a person knowing where to go it is obvious, but not for the other people,
Yeah, I think the current organization is pretty confusing. I suggest one top-level link: Documentation - points to complete docs for latest release A link to the up-to-date docs for the CVS should be hidden away (slightly) on the page targeted by the above link. It could be either: Generated Docs (Nightly Build) - points to subset of docs that are generated from boostbook sources, with a clear note at the top of the link's target page saying that it's only a subset of the complete docs or, better: Nightly CVS docs - Integrates the boostbook docs rebuilt nightly with a the docs that are stored in CVS as HTML, yielding a page with the same format as the "Documentation" page. The non-boostbook docs can be acquired via nightly download or simply linked-to using CVSWeb. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com
-----Original Message----- From: boost-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of David Abrahams Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:03 PM To: boost@lists.boost.org Subject: [boost] Re: Suggestion: link to the libraries page not easy to find
Marcello Pietrobon <teiffel@attglobal.net> writes:
Thank you for both nice answers. I definitely must be tired.
Maybe, but I think we have a real problem.
Or maybe for a person knowing where to go it is obvious, but not for the other people,
Yeah, I think the current organization is pretty confusing. I suggest one top-level link:
Documentation - points to complete docs for latest release
A link to the up-to-date docs for the CVS should be hidden away (slightly) on the page targeted by the above link. It could be either:
Generated Docs (Nightly Build) - points to subset of docs that are generated from boostbook sources, with a clear note at the top of the link's target page saying that it's only a subset of the complete docs
or, better:
Nightly CVS docs - Integrates the boostbook docs rebuilt nightly with a the docs that are stored in CVS as HTML, yielding a page with the same format as the "Documentation" page. The non-boostbook docs can be acquired via nightly download or simply linked-to using CVSWeb.
Although I elsewhere and severally retracted my original comments as being slightly to the left of reality, I think the organization you suggest is somewhat better than the existing one. So one person throws his nickle on the grass for this one, in any event. Reid
"Reid Sweatman" <drunkardswalk@earthlink.net> writes:
A link to the up-to-date docs for the CVS should be hidden away (slightly) on the page targeted by the above link. It could be either:
Generated Docs (Nightly Build) - points to subset of docs that are generated from boostbook sources, with a clear note at the top of the link's target page saying that it's only a subset of the complete docs
or, better:
Nightly CVS docs - Integrates the boostbook docs rebuilt nightly with a the docs that are stored in CVS as HTML, yielding a page with the same format as the "Documentation" page. The non-boostbook docs can be acquired via nightly download or simply linked-to using CVSWeb.
Although I elsewhere and severally retracted my original comments as being slightly to the left of reality, I think the organization you suggest is somewhat better than the existing one. So one person throws his nickle on the grass for this one, in any event.
OK, I implemented something like this. The generated docs link is on the getting_started page with the other CVS info. Should appear at http://boost-consulting.com/boost/more/getting_started.html#CVS within the hour. Note that the home page has "Libraries" and "Documentation" links that point to the same place. I just thought some people would be more comfortable if there were a link called "Documentation" on the home page. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com
I'm likely completely missing the mark, but if I see a link called "Documentation," that's what I expect to find there, not code libraries (ignoring any arguments concerning "self-documenting code" for the nonce). In other words, (sorry for the C, but doing it in C++ obfuscated the poor pun), Documentation = *RTFM; I'd expect to see links to both "Boost Libraries" and "Boost Documentation" at the same (top) level, even if the libraries *include* the documentation. Or is it just me? Not the first time I'll have been self-referential. Geez, got to stop writing these before the morning coffee. Reid
-----Original Message----- From: boost-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Turkanis Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:03 PM To: boost@lists.boost.org Subject: [boost] Re: Suggestion: link to the libraries page not easy to find
"Marcello Pietrobon" <teiffel@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:406352E4.4040808@attglobal.net...
Hi Boost team,
I don't know where to put this suggestion.
Even if boost is now well known, I think in the boost's home page there should be a well visible, easy to find, link to http://www.boost.org/libs/libraries.htm
because this is exactly what boost is about, I think.
Are you aware that Libraries -> Documentation -> Current Release links to this page, or do you think the label is unclear?
I think it might be slighly more user-friendly if Documentation were a direct link to the libraries page, and Nightly CVS were a separate entry under Documentation, but this is a minor point. Nightly CVS seems to be pretty useless at the moment since most of the links are broken.
Jonathan
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I'm likely completely missing the mark, but if I see a link called "Documentation," that's what I expect to find there, not code libraries (ignoring any arguments concerning "self-documenting code" for the nonce).
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I'd expect to see links to both "Boost Libraries" and "Boost Documentation" at the same (top) level, even if the libraries *include* the documentation. Or is it just me?
The libraries page *is* a collection of links to documentation, not to the source code. Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: boost-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Turkanis Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:19 AM To: boost@lists.boost.org Subject: [boost] Re: Re: Suggestion: link to the libraries page not easytofind
<snipped> The libraries page *is* a collection of links to documentation, not to the source code. Yeah, I know. And I'd argue that that's poor labeling to begin with. Wouldn't you expect to find libraries under something called "Libraries?" However, I wasn't trying to start a flame war, and I don't have the page open to check it right now, either. If I'm wrong here, I apologize. I was just tossing out a quick comment on-the-fly while doing six other things, which usually isn't a good idea. Reid
"Reid Sweatman" <drunkardswalk@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:!~!
[Jonathan wrote]: The libraries page *is* a collection of links to documentation, not to the source code.
Yeah, I know. And I'd argue that that's poor labeling to begin with. Wouldn't you expect to find libraries under something called "Libraries?" However, I wasn't trying to start a flame war, and I don't have the page open to check it right now, either.
Flame war? That's a bit of an overreaction. I just thought from your message that you didn't know libraries.html was the page containing links to documentation for the various libraries.
If I'm wrong here, I apologize. I was just tossing out a quick comment on-the-fly while doing six other things, which usually isn't a good idea.
No problem. Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: boost-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Turkanis Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:24 PM To: boost@lists.boost.org Subject: [boost] Re: Re: Re: Suggestion: link to the libraries pagenoteasytofind
"Reid Sweatman" <drunkardswalk@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:!~!
[Jonathan wrote]: The libraries page *is* a collection of links to documentation, not to the source code.
Yeah, I know. And I'd argue that that's poor labeling to begin with. Wouldn't you expect to find libraries under something called "Libraries?" However, I wasn't trying to start a flame war, and I don't have the page open to check it right now, either.
Flame war? That's a bit of an overreaction. I just thought from your message that you didn't know libraries.html was the page containing links to documentation for the various libraries.
If I'm wrong here, I apologize. I was just tossing out a quick comment on-the-fly while doing six other things, which usually isn't a good idea.
No problem.
Jonathan
Naw, not an over-reaction, just a poor choice of words. And elsewhere I've retracted my original comment on the grounds that it was unfounded, so the point floats to mootness. I really was too tired to be writing even simple posts like this when I did, and I apologize. Reid
-----Original Message----- From: boost-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Reid Sweatman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 2:38 PM To: boost@lists.boost.org Subject: RE: [boost] Re: Re: Suggestion: link to the libraries page noteasytofind
-----Original Message----- From: boost-bounces@lists.boost.org [mailto:boost-bounces@lists.boost.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Turkanis Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:19 AM To: boost@lists.boost.org Subject: [boost] Re: Re: Suggestion: link to the libraries page not easytofind
<snipped>
The libraries page *is* a collection of links to documentation, not to the source code.
Yeah, I know. And I'd argue that that's poor labeling to begin with. Wouldn't you expect to find libraries under something called "Libraries?" However, I wasn't trying to start a flame war, and I don't have the page open to check it right now, either. If I'm wrong here, I apologize. I was just tossing out a quick comment on-the-fly while doing six other things, which usually isn't a good idea.
And now, looking at the page finally, I retract my comments. I was mis-remembering the layout, which I have gotten lost in before. As it is now, I don't misread it. Apologies for any ruffled fur. Reid
"Marcello Pietrobon" <teiffel@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:406352E4.4040808@attglobal.net...
Hi Boost team,
I don't know where to put this suggestion.
Even if boost is now well known, I think in the boost's home page there should be a well visible, easy to find, link to http://www.boost.org/libs/libraries.htm
because this is exactly what boost is about, I think.
It is the very first link in left top corner (named Current release). /Pavel
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