From: Jeff Garland (azswdude_at_[hidden])
Date: 2020-04-03 18:40:48
I didn't read all the original discussion, but I'll point out that there's
more than one c++ library that has at least attempted (we can argue the
level of success) to provide the generalized sort of interface people are
asking for. There's some significant thinking and effort that went into
that. Have a look at soci -- not saying it's perfect, best or right --
just that I've used it in production systems and even written a backend for
it to a database that isn't supported out of the box. They worked out all
the issues for binding custom types like date_time, etc...
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:09 AM Ruben Perez via Boost <boost_at_[hidden]>
> Hi all,
> I would like to re-take the discussion line about the MySQL library against
> the support-all-SQL library approach. As you all know, the current
> MySQL-Asio library only supports MySQL, following the approach of "doing a
> single thing and doing it right". As I already mentioned, I see this as a
> building block that a higher-level library can use, or as a directly usable
> library if you just need MySQL.
> However, I know some of you were concerned about the potential difficulty
> in integrating different libraries like MySQL-Asio, in terms of complexity
> and efficiency. I have been looking into another SQL database protocol
> (concretely PostgreSQL, as it's the one I know the most after MySQL). In
> this mail I want to compare the two protocols from a high level
> perspective, and focus on the possible trouble that a higher-level SQL
> library could encounter when integrating MySQL-Asio with its equivalent for
> PostgreSQL (please note that the library for PostgreSQL does NOT exist
> - Both protocols start with a handshake. Most of the handshake parameters
> (credentials, schema to use...) are common, but some may be
> database-specific (e.g. collation to use for MySQL). I don't see much
> problem creating a wrapper with the minimum set of parameters for all
> backends in the higher-level library.
> - Both protocols support a "query single" operation, where a SQL text
> string is sent to the server and a resultset is sent back (more on
> resultsets later).
> - Both protocols support prepared statements, where you send a statement to
> be prepared, as a text string, and something representing the prepared
> statement is returned. This prepared statement may then be executed as many
> times as required, returning a resultset each time. For PostgreSQL, the
> execution model is more granular than in MySQL (i.e. in MySQL there would
> be a single execute() call, in PostgreSQL there would be a bind(), an
> execute() and a sync(), the result of these three being a resultset). The
> higher-level library expose the minimum subset of steps. Again, I think it
> can be done without too many problems.
> - When a resultset is returned, both protocols send each individual row in
> a separate message. This is something I use in MySQL-Asio to allow
> single-row retrieval and could be implemented for PostgreSQL similarly.
> - When a resultset is returned, both protocols return some metadata
> describing the columns the resultset is made of. This is a little bit more
> heterogeneous, but there is common stuff (field name, field type...).
> Again, I see feasible that a high-level library exposes the common subset
> of metadata.
> - In MySQL-Asio, values are represented as a variant of all the types
> supported by the database. MySQL-Asio exposes all types supported by MySQL.
> Some of them are SQL standard and other are extensions. I guess the
> higher-level library should only expose the SQL standard types, and thus a
> mapping is required here. MySQL-Asio tries to make things as efficient as
> possible and avoids copying as much as possible. All used types are either
> ints/floats, datetimes (from the date library and chrono), or
> string_view's. Concretely, strings are not copied, but the original message
> is kept alive instead. With all this, I think a reasonably efficient
> mapping could be implemented by a higher-level library.
> I hope this analysis may help convince those of you still in doubt. Any
> thoughts or suggestions are welcome.
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 16:07, Paul A Bristow via Boost <
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Boost <boost-bounces_at_[hidden]> On Behalf Of Richard
> > via
> > > Boost
> > > Sent: 4 March 2020 13:46
> > > To: boost_at_[hidden] List <boost_at_[hidden]>
> > > Cc: Richard Hodges <hodges.r_at_[hidden]>
> > > Subject: Re: [boost] MySQL ASIO library
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about Boost.MPI, but I thought it was not a wrapper of a
> > > > single library, but of a standard API that can be implemented by
> > > > different libraries. Boost.Regex is not a wrapper at all; it
> > > > implements regular expressions from scratch. asio::ssl is not a
> > > > library but a plugin for Boost.ASIO that provides one small piece of
> > > > functionality compared to the rest of the library. Boost.Python is
> > > > probably closest to an exception, although it is a binding to another
> > > > language (not a library), which arguably only has one C API and
> > > > implementation. Yes, there is CPython, but I don't believe it offers
> > > > C API.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This line of discussion between us is now moot. The author has
> > that
> > the
> > > implementation of the mysql protocol is original work.
> > >
> > > I don't think the amount of contributions by itself is the goal. There
> > >
> > > > has to be value associated with the contribution. I just don't think
> > > > C++ wrapper of a specific library has enough value.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I for one have needed a good async mysql database layer on two
> > in
> > > production systems.
> > >
> > > The first time I wrote a minimal wrapper around the c mysql libs (the
> > c++ one
> > is
> > > awful).
> > >
> > > The second time I used amy, which is not fully asio compliant (it
> > support
> > > coroutines or futures).
> > >
> > > As a user of boost for over ten years, I would have benefitted greatly
> > from a
> > library
> > > like this being in boost.
> > >
> > > I am not alone.
> > >
> > > Talking to MySQL is a fundamental operation in the web world, which
> > represents
> > a
> > > huge chunk of programming effort.
> > >
> > > It seems a no-brainer to me that a well maintained means of efficiently
> > doing
> > so
> > > would be a positive addition to boost.
> > By itself, this is a reasonably convincing case, but what would quiet
> > of
> > doubters would be to have at least an outline of connecting to another
> > database.
> > Showing reasonable confidence that extension to other databases is
> > would be a big plus IMO.
> > Paul
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