Re: [boost] C++ announcements coming tomorrow

Subject: Re: [boost] C++ announcements coming tomorrow
From: Edward Diener (eldiener_at_[hidden])
Date: 2012-11-04 21:19:36

On 11/4/2012 5:41 PM, Paul Mensonides wrote:
> On 11/4/2012 2:14 PM, Cory Nelson wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Paul Mensonides
>> <pmenso57_at_[hidden]>wrote:
>
>>> The extensions for C++/CX and C++/CLI are even worse because they
>>> actually
>>> subvert the entire language by forcing the limited .Net runtime model on
>>> the language which is a massive regression.
>>>
>>
>> C++/CX is sugar for building and using Windows RT COM objects. It does
>> not
>> involve .NET _at all_. Not in your code and not hidden in the runtime
>> background. Furthermore, both of them are intended for use as a bridge
>> into
>> the Windows platforms at the outer edges of otherwise portable,
>> standards-compliant code. You're not supposed to use them as your primary
>> language.
>>
>> Resume (slightly more informed) venting.
>
> I'm not uninformed.  I'm generalizing because C++/CX and C++/CLI share
> some extensions at the syntactic level, and I'm not referring to the
> details of either except in that they *both* create a new type system,
> object model, runtime model, etc..

C++/CLI does not pretend to be C++. It is a dialect of C++ for .Net 
programming but nobody of any experience views this as the official C++ 
language.

Your rant against things like C++/CLI and C++/CX is ill-founded IMO. 
Language vendors certainly have the right to create a new language from 
an existing language for their own use and their customer's use. I think 
you are being intolerant to think otherwise. If Microsoft has said 
anywhere that C++/CLI or C++/CX is standard C++ I would like to see it.

There are probably few serious C++ expert programmers who do not agree 
with you that language vendors should support the C++ standard. But that 
is very different from mandating that language vendors should only be 
allowed to support a language standard and not be allowed to create 
another similar language for their own purposes.

Actually C++/CLI is a very good language for .Net programming but 
Microsoft's support for it has been abysmal, so that it is hopeless to 
use it ( as opposed to C# ) for any serious largescale .Net programs or 
modules.